Monday, March 4, 2013

Old School: The Outdated Law School Model

Photo courtesy of stockfreeimages.com
I came across this recent post in Outside the Law School Scam, a blog you should definitely check out.  The post was a call to action on the part of scambloggers - what are they/we looking for exactly?  I then remembered that I wrote a post about the flaws I see in the current law school model, as well as some changes I'd like to see (scroll to the bottom of my post if you want to cut to the chase) about a year and a half ago.  I think it's worth re-posting, since it could benefit anyone considering going to law school.  My ideas for change are simple, although probably difficult to implement.  So just to keep the message going about the potential financial and career pitfalls that await newly minted JD's, here you go: The Flawed Law School Model (October 2011).

What changes would you like to see implemented?  Shutting down all law schools?  Shutting down all for-profit law schools?  Caps on tuition?  Student loan reform?  I'd love to hear them!

36 comments:

  1. I followed your advice and created a gmail account with a pseudonym. I sent you a message a few minutes ago.

    ReplyDelete
  2. Close down the bottom 3/4 of all ABA-accredited trash pits. The displaced "professors" and deans can then clean toilets, for a living.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Ha! I'd love to see professors and deans getting real jobs. Some of the professors at my school weren't even barred anywhere, so if they couldn't "teach," they'd be SOL until they studied for and passed the Bar, if they actually wanted to practice law. Which I am pretty sure they wouldn't, since law practice involves some level of knowledge, work, and the ability to think on one's feet. It's a little different than teaching a hornbook to a lecture hall full of uninformed, indebted law students.

      As for the call to action, I wonder if there really is anything to be done besides just keeping potential law students informed about what they're signing up for. It seems like a waste of time to wait for legislation or for law schools to be more transparent on their own. That could take decades.

      Delete
    2. How many of the 201 ABA-approved law schools offer a degree that, based on job placement statistics, is valued and respected by employers? The answer is 13. Therefore, the other 188 ought to close.

      If there is a need to train more lawyers beyond what the 13 can produce--and I am not sure that there is-- I would recommend a return to the apprenticeship model, modified and updated for these more complicated times.

      Students could undergo a bar review like crash course to teach core doctrine fast. Then they would undergo a structured series of clinics and extrenships to train them to try a case, write an appeal, and represent clients in a couple of practice areas of the student's own choice. These clinics would be supervised by successful local practitioners, not by six-figure salaried law professors who have not seen the inside of a courtroom in 15 years, if ever.

      There is a theoretical risk that apprenticeship programs could flood the market with new lawyers, just like law schools do now. But I don't think that would happen. The practicing bar can be trusted not to flood our own profession with newbies, whereas law schools have a scammer's incentive to offer admission to anything with a pulse and access to student loans.

      Delete
  3. If I was the King of the ABA I would first shut down all for-profit law schools and all law schools of any type of governance that are not affiliated with a college or university.

    Then I would change the way that people apply for law school.
    Students take the LSAT like they do now
    Then they would first apply to the ABA for the right to attend law school; submitting their grades, LSAT scores, and forms giving us the right to pull credit, and background information useful for investigation.
    The ABA would investigate everyone, rejecting students that could never pass a Character and Fitness test.
    Of the students left, the top N of them would receive the right to apply to law school; good for a year.
    Then students can apply to wherever, but only if they have received the right to apply to law school.
    N would depend on things like number of law jobs available for the previous year or several years averaged out, flunk out rate at schools, maybe a little for people who actually want to go to law school but don't want to practice law. If I were to guess, a good number would be 20k people should be allowed to go to law school right now.

    ReplyDelete
  4. @ Anon 6:50, those are interesting ideas. Maybe each applicant should have a sponsor as well. An applicant could be required to complete an internship with an attorney and if that attorney thinks the applicant actually has a future in law, then they can vouch for the applicant. It's how attorneys get admitted to certain Bars (I had to be sponsored for two of the Bars I was admitted to). Why make it any different for law school?

    ReplyDelete
  5. Well done, it is a good job you done in this post. Thanks for it.

    Houston Personal Injury Attorney

    ReplyDelete
  6. The written piece is truly fruitful for me personally; continue posting these types of articles.
    legal help

    ReplyDelete
  7. I knew this blog post was existed someplace. Thanks to post such articles. Will unquestionably be using it very soon.
    criminal lawyer ny

    ReplyDelete
  8. Enthralling stuff I haven't been finished particular data in a lasting time. bubblegum casting reviews

    ReplyDelete
  9. I suppose I've selected an unbelievable and interesting blog. ny criminal defense lawyer

    ReplyDelete
  10. Hey enormous stuff or pleasant information you are offering here.
    replica watches uk

    ReplyDelete
  11. This short article posted only at the web site is truly good. criminal lawyer ny

    ReplyDelete
  12. It’s never too late to develop your data and your contents really excite me a lot. click over here

    ReplyDelete
  13. Thanks a lot for publishing the new good stuff for us. I’ll really get the great advantage from your good stuff.
    click the link

    ReplyDelete
  14. I suppose this info is completely unique.


    Website

    ReplyDelete
  15. Your website is for sure worth bookmarking.Web Site

    ReplyDelete
  16. check this linkI'm in no doubt coming back again to read these articles and blogs.

    ReplyDelete
  17. I suppose this info is completely unique.
    This Site

    ReplyDelete
  18. This is an informative blog by which I have got that info which I really wanted to get.
    green coffee bean extract

    ReplyDelete
  19. I suppose this info is completely unique.
    sewa mobil

    ReplyDelete
  20. Hi Dear, have you been certainly visiting this site daily, if that's the case you then will certainly get good knowledge.

    more

    ReplyDelete
  21. This blog is really awesome in all respects.
    best credit

    ReplyDelete
  22. Regarding all aspects the blog was perfectly nice. car insurance

    ReplyDelete
  23. This article is actually remarkable one it helps many new users that desire to read always the best stuff. phlebotomy training

    ReplyDelete
  24. I certainly appreciate your stuff provided in the blogs.
    home alarm systems

    ReplyDelete
  25. The stuff written in the blogs have allured me!!! lexington law reviews

    ReplyDelete
  26. The information in this blog is extremely useful for the people.
    exposed skin care coupon

    ReplyDelete
  27. The Info in the blog is out of this world, I so want to read more.
    candy crush level 147 cheats

    ReplyDelete
  28. pork chop recipes
    I constantly emailed this site post page to all my friends, because if prefer to read it then my all friends will too.

    ReplyDelete
  29. The information in this blog is extremely useful for the people. visit this site

    ReplyDelete
  30. congratulations guys, quality information you have given!!! read more - www.ppiclaimshandler.org.uk

    ReplyDelete